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fuli_tschai  ('bad girl') posting in The Holocaust
User: fuli_tschai
Date: 2008-01-30 12:40
Subject: Roma and Sinti Holocaust memorial to be built in Berlin
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Berlin - A memorial to the millions of Roma and Sinti who perished during the Holocaust will be erected in Berlin, the German minister in charge of culture said Monday. Bernd Neumann said the memorial and another for homosexuals persecuted by the Nazis had been given formal approval by the German parliament's cultural affairs committee.


"The road is finally clear for these monuments to be erected and inaugurated," Neumann said.


Berlin's Governing Mayor Klaus Wowereit said work on the Sinti and Roma memorial would begin next month at a site in Berlin's Tiergarten park close to the federal parliament, or Reichstag.


Last month, the upper house of parliament, the Bundesrat, gave its support to a monument commemorating the murder of at least 500,000 members of the two ethnic minorities in Nazi extermination camps.


Bundesrat president Ole von Beust cautioned against "forgetting and blocking out" memories of the two communities, whose 12 million members make up the biggest minority in the European Union.


The German government and leaders of the Sinti and Roma communities agreed in May 2006 to build a memorial in the shape of a fountain but a dispute over the inscription and other matters relating to the design put the project on ice.


The fountain, designed by Israeli sculptor Dani Karavan, will have a poem by Italian writer Santino Spinelli on its base.
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fuli_tschai  ('bad girl') posting in The Holocaust
User: fuli_tschai
Date: 2008-01-30 12:21
Subject: "History of Roma Holocaust" book
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The first "History of Roma Holocaust" by authors Dr. Rajko Đurić and Antun Miletić was published by "Politika AD" from Belgrade.

The book has two parts. The first part writes about the suffering of Roma in Nazi Germany, its allied countries and countries under its occupation. The number of Roma who were killed in World War Two is over a million. The second part publishes a list of 23,000 Roma killed in Jasenovac death camp.

The book has 440 pages. It can be ordered from the publisher, through "Bookbridge", Dubljanska 47 Street, Belgrade,

telephone No. 00381-11-3449967 or 3449968.

 Unija Roma Srbije 

While I am pleased to see that the Romani people are being acknowledged in reference to the Holocaust, it should be mentioned that their term 'Roma' is inaccurate. The Roma are only one sub-group of the Romani ethnicity. The Sinti were another sub-group who was nearly exterminated by the Nazis in WWII. The correct wording here would be "History of Romani Holocaust". The blanket term 'Roma' is not embraced by most of the Romani community.

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myene_01 posting in The Holocaust
User: myene_01
Date: 2008-01-16 11:33
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I have been working on this essay for the last six months. It was inspired in part after one of my class mates (after watching
Schindler's List) asked if the Holocaust was really that bad. What I took for common knowledge (the atrocities of the holocaust) other knew little or nothing about. I then realized that in my high school and collage level history classes the holocaust was only mentioned as a side note. Originally this was just about the Nazi holocaust, but as I did more research I realized how many genocidal events had happened that we knew little or nothing about. 

As of Jan 16th 2008 I do not have my reference page done, but it will be added. 

I am looking for some views and constructive crit. on my essay.

The Essay 
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I'm kind of a bitch posting in The Holocaust
User: jeep_gir1
Date: 2007-11-28 10:22
Subject: Mr Death, aka Fred A Leuchter Jr., Holocaust 'Revisionist'
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Among Holocaust "revisionists," few have sparked more controversy than Fred A. Leuchter, Jr. At the time of his entry on the "revisionist" scene, Leuchter, 49, described himself as the Chief Engineer of Fred Leuchter Associates in Boston, Massachusetts, a firm specializing in gas chambers and executions, as well as "the design and fabrication of execution hardware used in prisons throughout the United States."

Leuchter became involved with the "revisionists" during the 1988 trial of Ernst Zundel, a German-Canadian neo-Nazi accused under a Canadian law of publishing hate propaganda. Zundel hired Leuchter to testify that the Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek concentration camps contained "no execution gas chambers" and "could not have been then, or now, be utilized or seriously considered to function as executing gas chambers." The court dismissed this testimony, because Leuchter lacked the credentials to prove his expertise on gas chambers. Zundel was convicted of the charges; however, Leuchter's work took on a life of its own in "revisionist" circles as The Leuchter Report: The End of a Myth, published by Zundel's Samisdat Publishers, Ltd. of Toronto. Read moreCollapse )

This article was originally published by ADL in 1993 as part of Hilter's Apologists: The Anti-Semitic Propaganda of Holocaust "Revisionism"

Here is the video in question:

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I'm kind of a bitch posting in The Holocaust
User: jeep_gir1
Date: 2007-11-28 10:07
Subject: IBM and the Holocaust
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Has anyone read this book? I have seen mention of this as a side note in researching other aspects of the Holocaust, but never something that goes into such detail on the subject. I also understood that IBM's role was somewhat disputed, but this presents it as fact...

IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.

Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.

But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.

IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.

Only with IBM's technological assistance was Hitler able to achieve the staggering numbers of the Holocaust. Edwin Black has now uncovered one of the last great mysteries of Germany's war against the Jews -- how did Hitler get the names?

Source: http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com
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I'm kind of a bitch posting in The Holocaust
User: jeep_gir1
Date: 2007-11-25 13:59
Subject: The 'Devouring': A look at the Romani Holocaust
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By Brian Kenety

The Porrajmos, literally "the Devouring," is the term that the Roma & Sinti (Gypsies) use to describe the Nazi regime's attempt to wipe their people off the face of the Earth; for the genocidal wave of terror known to most of the world as the Holocaust. An estimated half million Romani people were killed during the Second World War — only five percent of the Czech-born population survived. Nearly all who lived through internment in the Czech-run labor camps near Hodonin and Lety — now the site of a pig farm — later perished in the so-called "Gypsy family camp" at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Inmate number 1-9-9-6 was among the few Romani to survive Auschwitz. The Nazis didn't bother to tattoo an ID number on Antonin Hlavacek's arm — Romani children, like the elderly, weren't meant to live long, so his number was written in ink. But sixty years later, Mr Hlavacek can no more forget the number he answered to at Auschwitz than the atrocities he witnessed as a young boy.

"The transports would come in when it was dark. We weren't allowed to go outside but heard it all. They'd pull everyone out of the train, pile up their clothes and belongings on the floor and send most of them straight to the 'showers'. Instead of water, it was gas that came out of the pipes. There was also a group of prisoners, selected every three months, that was given more food and made to work in what we thought was a bakery. Only much later did we realize it was a crematorium, where they burned people. The toilet was just one big hole with a piece of wood over it and in order to get to it, we had to move aside dead bodies because they were only taken away every three days."

The horrors of the death camps have been exhaustively documented, but the wartime fate of the Romani — who, alongside Europe's Jewish population, were singled out for extinction by the Nazis along racial lines — is less widely understood; their tremendous suffering and loss often reduced to little more than a historical footnote. An estimated 70 percent of Europe's Romani population died in the "Devouring"; yet no Romani were called to testify at the post-war Nuremberg Trials and no one spoke there on their behalf. Artur Radvansky — a Jewish Holocaust survivor of Auschwitz — has made a point of bearing witness in recent years, traveling to Germany to explain the Holocaust to students of all ages. One horrific event stands out in his mind above all the others — the day he watched camp guards bring in a group of Romani war veterans from Germany.

"I witnessed the most terrible thing, something which no-one else knows about in this country because no-one else is alive to remember it. One day, the Auschwitz guards brought in between 400 and 600 Romani from Germany. Many of the men were former German soldiers who had fought in Poland during the First World War. Some of them were still wearing their medals: the Knight's Cross, if you're familiar with it. They were decorated soldiers — German soldiers — and yet one night the guards came and took them to the gas chambers to be killed." Read more...Collapse )

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I'm kind of a bitch posting in The Holocaust
User: jeep_gir1
Date: 2007-11-25 13:56
Subject: 'We had the same pain'
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by Emma Brockes

Most people know about the millions of Jews murdered in Hitler's death camps; less is known about the 500,000+ Gypsies who also died. For many years, Walter Winter did not speak of the events that took place in his life between the ages of 20 and 25. After the war he put his head down and worked: in his family's funfair business and on the business of marriage, to Marion, with whom he raised six children in the corner of north-east Germany where the Winters had lived for as long as he could remember. At 84, he lives there still. "We are tough," he says, referring to his storm-battered family and, more generally, to the race to which it belongs. "We are tough because we have had to be."

Herr Winter and his wife live in a flat decorated with reminders of a world that has long since ceased to exist. There is a grandfather clock and a case displaying a china tea-set and, mounted on the wall, a violin surrounded by paintings of Romani scenes of yore: old-fashioned tubular caravans with horses out front and children tumbling over each other on the steps at the back. This way of life was still just about in evidence when Winter grew up, one of nine children, in the years before what he calls "the forgotten Holocaust". In 1943, Winter and two of his siblings were transported to the "Gypsy" camp at Auschwitz. His sister Maria's eight-year-old twin daughters died at the hands of Josef Mengele; Winter's wife, Anna, whom he met in the camp, and their new-born baby died after being transported to Ravensbruck. His brother Erich was sterilized. "They want it to be forgotten," he says. "Ja. There is a tradition of persecuting the Sinti. Always, always."

There are not many written accounts of the half-million or so Roma and Sinti who died in the camps, because, says Winter, theirs is traditionally an oral not a literary culture. Unlike the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, many of whom came from the educated middle-classes, the Sinti generally made their living on the land. Winter's own family traveled in the caravan doing seasonal farm work and show business. They were talented horsemen and women - Winter himself used to do a circus act, which involved jumping on to the back of a moving horse - and gifted mechanics and electricians. "They didn't weld," he says, "but everything else."

Even in the 1920s, they would be escorted to the border of each German county by the police. "An example," says Winter, through an interpreter, "was when I was six years old. My parents were having coffee in the morning, on a day we were due to move on. A policeman came to the door of the caravan and told us to leave right away. My mother said, 'We can't leave immediately, the children are having breakfast.' But the policeman didn't want to wait. He took out the baton and my father started to pack up, rapidly. But it wasn't fast enough for the policeman. He first whipped the horses, then he hit my father." Read more...Collapse )

·Winter Time: Memoirs of a German who Survived Auschwitz is published by the University of Hertfordshire, price £9.99.
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Cloak of Winter posting in The Holocaust
User: cloakofwinter
Date: 2006-12-13 00:56
Subject: Article in SLATE
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If you have not read this article, you should.

Here is the link.

This part particularly resonated with me:

"All of which is a roundabout way of saying that this particular brand of historical revisionism is no joke, and we shouldn't be tempted to treat it that way. Yes, we think we know this story already; we think we've institutionalized this memory; we think this particular European horror has been put to rest, and it is time to move on. I've sometimes thought that myself. There is so much other history to learn, after all. The 20th century was not lacking in tragedy.

And yet—the near-destruction of the European Jews in a very brief span of time by a sophisticated European nation using the best technology available was, it seems, an event that requires constant re-explanation, not least because it really did shape subsequent European and world history in untold ways. For that reason alone, the archives, the photographs, and the endless rebuttals will go on being necessary, long beyond the lifetime of the last survivor.
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Cloak of Winter posting in The Holocaust
User: cloakofwinter
Date: 2006-07-26 05:07
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Location:Stealing wireless internet from the beach hotel
Music:OMD - If you leave
Greetings All:

I just wanted to thank all of you for joining and to apologize for not being more active. Hopefull, as the summer progresses here, we'll have some more content added for everyone to discuss.

I am wondering, however, how many of you have seen the movie "Paperclips" and what you thought of it? We had a representative from the US Holocaust Museum in Washington speak on it at the university and I want to talk about his comments, but I'd like to hear yours first.


- El Mod
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swimchica623 posting in The Holocaust
User: swimchica623
Date: 2006-05-13 19:56
Subject: Linz, Leonding, Mauthausen, and Ebensee
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Okay I'm not really expecting anything, but I thought I'd check! I am in Vienna now and need to visit Leonding, Mauthausen, and Ebensee. I have a ticket to Linz, the central location, and was planning on spending two days but the hostels were way more expensive than in other areas. So I'm trying to figure out the easiest way to do all this.
Has anyone ever been to Mauthausen? How easy is it to get there now? How long does it take to go through the camp? Has anyone done anything similar and can recommend the best order? I was thinking Leonding to Ebensee to Mauthausen was the quickest. But Mauthausen is the most important spot I'm seeing so I don't want to run ouit of time.
This isn't for another week. I didn't fully understand the train situations here but now I got a good understanding of them!!

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